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[Theoretical Debate] What classifies as "undead"?

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Post by Comrade Vince 21st January 2012, 3:06 pm

So me and Soviet had a discussion:

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Now, what is undead? Reanimated corpses only, such as zombies and ghouls. Or all beings who are previously alive and then dead, such as vampires and ghosts?

Discuss.
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Post by IvanGray 21st January 2012, 3:44 pm

If we're using the broadest possible definition, then my closest friend Courtney would be considered as undead, as she remained medically dead for close to an hour, after a failed suicide attempt, and was then revived following being rushed to an emergency room via helivac.
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Post by Soviet 21st January 2012, 4:04 pm

An undead is a entity which was alive, and is now dead, but is reanimated. Zombies, vampires, ghosts; they are not among the living and do not have feelings. They do not need rights. Theoretically. Of course, they don't exist, so, we use the dictionary.

Oxford defines undead as;

Pronunciation: /ˌənˈded/
adjective
(of a fictional being, especially a vampire) technically dead but still animate.

Marriam Webster defines undead as;

the reanimated body of a dead person believed to come from the grave at night and suck the blood of persons asleep
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Post by Comrade Vince 21st January 2012, 4:05 pm

Soviet wrote:An undead is a entity which was alive, and is now dead, but is reanimated. Zombies, vampires, ghosts; they are not among the living and do not have feelings. They do not need rights. Theoretically. Of course, they don't exist, so, we use the dictionary.

Oxford defines undead as;

Pronunciation: /ˌənˈded/
adjective
(of a fictional being, especially a vampire) technically dead but still animate.

Marriam Webster defines undead as;

the reanimated body of a dead person believed to come from the grave at night and suck the blood of persons asleep

But vampires have feelings, ghosts too. Why else would old ghost ladies always frantically sob all the time?
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Post by Soviet 21st January 2012, 4:07 pm

Comrade Vince wrote:But vampires have feelings, ghosts too. Why else would old ghost ladies always frantically sob all the time?

Crying can be animated behaviour, it doesn't mean the ghost actually feels sadness.
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Post by Comrade Vince 21st January 2012, 5:09 pm

Soviet wrote:
Comrade Vince wrote:But vampires have feelings, ghosts too. Why else would old ghost ladies always frantically sob all the time?

Crying can be animated behaviour, it doesn't mean the ghost actually feels sadness.

Then why would it cry? Because it's a ghost-actor in a ghost-film?
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Post by Soviet 21st January 2012, 5:15 pm

Comrade Vince wrote:Then why would it cry? Because it's a ghost-actor in a ghost-film?

No, because it's animated. Are we going to continue going in circles?
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Post by Comrade Vince 21st January 2012, 6:04 pm

Soviet wrote:
Comrade Vince wrote:Then why would it cry? Because it's a ghost-actor in a ghost-film?

No, because it's animated. Are we going to continue going in circles?

Nah, I don't want to get carsick.
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Post by Insertnamehere 22nd January 2012, 12:35 am

Undead can be separated into categories. The civilized and the uncivilized. Vampires could be civilized... Ghosts can be trolls or can be helpful. I guess it depends on the context. They're all undead, just different kinds of undead.

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Post by Aidan "AwesomePants" 5th February 2012, 8:39 am

I sure hope this is theoretical and you guys don't actually believe in zombies, ghosts, and vampires
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Post by Comrade Vince 5th February 2012, 11:00 pm

Aidan "AwesomePants" wrote:I sure hope this is theoretical and you guys don't actually believe in zombies, ghosts, and vampires

Of course not, don't be silly.

Post-Mortem muscular movement is chemically impossible in the bigger picture due to the lack of cardiovascular stimuli or substitution thereof.

Everyone knows that...
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